Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Not from Scripture. 1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Scripture: Could you please show me the Bible verse that says were supposed to be happy for people who achieve financial and popularity success by twisting Gods word, teaching false doctrine, and walking in disobedience to Him? I KNOW that you probably dont have the proclivity to clarify your position (youve already stated that you wouldnt/ couldnt reply to questions that are long. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. 13 Bible Verses about God's Ways Beyond Human Understanding Most Relevant Verses Isaiah 55:8-9 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord. Mark 7:31-37. And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. Youre more than welcome to join the study if youd like. Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. Free Sermons and Sermon Outlines for Preaching : How To Respond To Newly-Delivered People Who Still Are A Mess. FOCAL POINT: TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS MUST AVOID. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. So, to "not go beyond what is written" means to focus on Jesus and His Word above all else. Also your references in Matthew do not apply, and sadly this out of context mess gets regurgitated as much, if not more so, as Matthew 7, and the whole Do not ever judge crowd. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. No, Im afraid theres no such thing as a false teacher being an entryway into the faith any more than a bowl of cyanide can be a good appetizer before a healthy dinner. and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. 4. Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. There are two crucial reasons for this. 1 There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. Together with her husband, Jerry, she heads up Going Beyond Ministries. Or and be .. Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? Im surprised to hear thats her position. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. Heres why: 1. It would stand to reason that all those that have never heard of Christ have not accepted Him and therefore, as Rom 1 details, they die in their sin. No mention of sitting in silence or listening here nor in any of the other passages in which the Bible teaches about prayer. Go beyond our fears. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. INTRODUCTION Have women not been given a part in The Great Commission from Jesus? 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). (Im also about 90% Reformed if you didnt get a chance to look at my statement of faith page.). This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. - Jonah 2:10. The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. 3And I will make thee swear by In keeping with the spirit of Titus 3:10-11, this is your second warning (the first is in the Welcome tab, which youve obviously already read) I will not engage in debate about biblical truth and I will not publish comments or respond to e-mails/messages attempting to engage me in debate. #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. Elizabeth. The youtube video you offer here in your post is not available and Id kind of like to see what you were talking about. Hey brother Saiko Woods! Wow! One thats not a promotional tape? Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (February 18, 2021) Priscilla speaks at Christine Caines Propel Womens Conference. - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? read more, Scripture: Can you explain ? Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. Are you into apologetics or something? Joshua 24:1-33, Beyond Sunday is about being a person who is after Gods own heart a person who loves God first and foremost who places their love relationship number one in their life the person who does the One Thing the greatest thing first with God/Jesus love, Beyond Sunday pt. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. -Opened new If you wouldnt follow a male pastor or Bible teacher who was open and unrepentant about committing adultery or shoplifting or getting plowed every weekend, why would you follow any female Bible teacher who preaches to and instructs men? I would check with BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, and LighthouseTrails.com. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. We have just joined a new church and I was completely disheartened to find they were about to start two womens Bible studies both by Priscilla Shirer. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Michelle, THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. Some of the points you bring up give me pause. And, sometimes, basic is enough. Romans 4:18. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. You are very kind and encouraging :0). These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. on that if youre interested. But Jesus said unto them, They need not in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress. The New Testament knows nothing of a Christian whos satisfied just to escape hell. Just got home form a conference defending the faith. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Id be interested, too! - Jonah didnt smell good. Thats why I said may have been. Whether that particular moment in time was, in fact, the moment that Priscilla was introduced to false doctrine and false teachers can be debated, but the fact of the matter is that she came under the influence of false teachers at some point and still unequally yokes herself to them and teaches false doctrine today. Mark 10:46-53 #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. 1. No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. I think the best reward for the reader is to take all those views as complementary and related being parts of the same whole system of interpretation. One of them went up to him and told him. Do you think the stretching feels good? Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE Our ladies Bible study is just about to start a Priscilla Shirer study and I was doing some research on Priscilla and found your blog (whew! God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . Before you answer No too quickly, consider that we cannot live without fear. There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. After the service, people went by the preacher, tired and exhausted. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. This article really turned me off on her. What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? Michelle, what do you think about this article? I think you are judging and do not agree with you. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Opening Prayer. Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). Go beyond putting ourselves first. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. #3 Priscilla teaches to listen for Gods voice. Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. There are still some good, solid blogs over there (such as Kevin DeYoungs and Erik Raymonds), and they frequently put out helpful, doctrinally solid articles, but Ive chosen to use other sources instead. No where did she usurp authority etc. Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. Thats very wise, and I respect that. Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst. 5. Let me tell you something, if your church recommended War Room, you can almost be certain that its leadership knew next to nothing about Shirer. This is not a new idea. Again, since Scripture, not our opinions or feelings, is our authority, we have to obey that. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. read more, Scripture: I am not sure that the Gospel Coalition is a credible source. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. 2 JOHN Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. What an encouragement! CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. Because you seem to be arguing against the biblical truth youve already read and have rejected reading any of the further biblical teaching Ive referred you to. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. Beth and Priscilla both teach a false Jesus and a false gospel. unbiblical) meditation. First, just because youve never heard of someone doesnt mean hes not a credible source (likewise just because someone is well known doesnt mean he is a credible source). TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS ARE TO AVOID. Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. God knew what He was doing. THERE WERE NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. What we believe about that is irrelevant. I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. They start, not with a biblical truth but with a story or life experience, and then they build doctrine and beliefs out of that experience. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. There are People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. Rebekah gave the servant water but also volunteered to water the 10 camels as well. Heres more info. You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. We cannot live without fear. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) No-one is beyond hope. Dear Michelle, Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Mark 7:31-37 Thank you MIchelle Lesley. :0). I dont follow TGC any more. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. It does NOT say, and be baptist. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. I had to look these babies up in the dictionary!) Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: INTRODUCTION: but me and the wife basically just wanted to thank and encourage you sorry for the wall of text! 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